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Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1.01.: Since I had really liked Discovery's version of Pike, Spock and what little we saw of Number One in season 2, I was looking forward to this, and the first episode did not disappoint. Incidentally, if there was one thing that could have kept me from watching, it's the annoying type of DISCO basher who was loundly anticipating "real" Trek. (These kind of utterings are what reliably keeps me from watching The Orville. Seriously, every time someone recs The Orville to me by dissing Discovery, by by now I love as much as my other favourite Trek tv shows, DS9 and TNG, they further ensure I will never watch it.) However, said annoying type of fan is not the fault of this latest show, plus I can report that not only was the pilot charming, but affectionate Discovery references were flying fast, and also, it did not escape me that Pike and Spock were the only men on the bridge of the Enterprise, plus the present day parallels to what was going on on the planet of the week were less than subtle and as firmly messaging as both Discovery and Picard are. (Which is a fine Trekian tradition. The shows don't always pull it off well, but they try.)
Post universe saving in the Discovery finale, Pike has time to process that he now knows his ultimate fate, and unsurprisingly, it's a lot to process. Hence the beard of depression at the start of the episode. At the same time, he's his kind, considerate self; I appreciated that he asks Spock how Spock is dealing with the s2 fallout when they're alone together. As post s2 of Disco, I have to say that Spock being willing to risk everything in order to help Pike in The Menagerie now both has strong emotional background texture for me and is making me cry when rewatching that TOS two parter. Speaking of The Menagerie, though, one running gag through the pilot is that Pike has requested one "Lieutenant Kirk", and I kept thinking, hang on, The Menagerie didn't give me the impression that Kirk and TOS!Pike knew each other well (as opposed to Kelvin Timeline Kirk and Pike), and then we got the pay off near the end when "Lieutenant Kirk" showed up, and it was James T's brother Sam, killed off in TOS and hardly ever referenced again. Well played, scribes!
Young Uhura the cadet was adorable (and the actress did a good job incorporating some of Nichelle Nichols' gestures while being believably far younger, and I really liked this latest incarnation of Christine Chapel with her confidence and somewhat wicked sense of humor. Of the new characters, Security Chief Ms Noonien Singh - for once, not a member of the mad scientist Soong tribe but, I take it, a potential relation of Khan's - as our character with a horrible traumatic childhood, competence and iron woobie demeanor looks promising. As does Ortega who takes the helm when both Pike and his XOs are absent. That the planet of the week falls into the TOS tradition of having a suspiciously Earth like culture but not because some idiot historian wanted a planet wide cosplay made me ruefully smile once it became clear where this was getting at. Mind you, it's been many years since I watched the TOS eps referencing them, but I think the Eugenic Wars and WW3 as imagined by the original series were supposed to be two separate events, with the former already taking place in the 1990s. However, combining them and making them both the result of current day 21st century developments starting in the US was a good kind of referencing while also updating at the same time, so it was a pointed comment, not nostalgia. And "This was how we destroyed our civilisation and nearly blew up the planet; don't do the same!" as the central message to the aliens of the week/the audience at home was rather timely, delivered in Pike's dulcet tones or not.
Let's see, what else: Pike's friend-with-benefits the female Captain reminded me of both Kat Cornwell and Archer's friend-with-benefits. High, Robert April, I think, TAS aside, that's your first on screen incarnation. Did they name a shuttle after Stamets? And lastly, M'Benga and Chapel having an emergency transporter of their own in sickbay makes complete sense, and every starship's sickbay should have one.
: Meanwhile, in the past and the future (from Pike's pov): the s2 finale of ST:P managed to wrap up all the many different plot threads, leaving just about one open answer (why Tallinn looked exactly like Laris, but I suppose one can handwave that as "genetic doublings across centuries do happen), wrote one regular out of the tale (Rios) and in essence another, though I suppose Jurati!Queen can be brought back whenever the series wants to, given she's alive and around in the Alpha Quadrant now, whereas Rios really did stay in the past and lived and died there, according to Guinan. Since Agnes Jurati had the season's most accomplished arc, which did land its ending instead of going for a reset at the last moment, I can't begrudge that. Plus: the Agnes-and-the-Queen tale really does manage to do something new and different with the Borg, for the first time in several shows and movies. (No, last season doesn't count in this regard, since Hugh, Seven and the other Xbees were Ex Borg. In many ways, it brings the Borg story full circle and to a close, with an ending no one anticipated, and it works for me that Q made that possible just as he engineered the Enterprise's first encounter with the Borg.
(Sidenote: though I assume the Jurati!Queen led Borg through the last 400 years were and are a separate tribe from the standard Borg with the 1.0. version of the Qeen, who were also around but died due to various late ST show events.)
By "made it possible", I don't mean "caused", just "provided the opportunity", because really, most of the credit goes to Agnes, amazing woman that she is, some to the Queen for accepting her last proposal instead of going through another round of conquest/defeat/death, and some to Picard for post return to the future trusting Jurati!Queen and throwing his authority behind her so she could do the world saving. Q in general was used mostly as a catalyst as opposed to an active player, but somehow despite having started the season hoping for way more Picard & Q scenes than what we got, I don't feel disappointed. Because what we did get was meaningfull. (Not the case with some previous Q appearances, cough, cough. ) Though I was going to say: therapy for Jean-Luc should have been possible in a less complicated way and without putting the rest of the gang through those experiences, but then it turned out the various events needed to happen and had always been part of the original timeline (i.e. being left by his "daughter and creation" and bereft of the promise of future glory, Soong's next move is to genetically engineer Khan; and of course no redeemed Borg and Jurati!Queen ending the cycles of Borg assimilation-by-force without that time trip). Elnor turned out to be only Mostly Dead like most people predicted and was alive again once the future was reset (though I do wonder whether we'll see HoloElnor again as well, this show loves its doppelgangers). I must admit I was waiting for one more reveal, that the reveal that the cosmic Whateveritwascalled that the Borg-plus-Starfleet needed to shield from exploding, thus allowing it to transform into asuperwormhole transwarp gateweay instead was actually Q's death/transformation manifest in energetic form, and until I hear otherwise, that's going to remain my headcanon.
(Sidenote: a goodbye kiss would have been nice, but at least we got face touching and a hug as Q took his leave from his favorite Captain (no offense, Janeway) and vice versa, and it was important Jean-Luc initialized the hug.)
All in all, I thought the second season had more narrative drive and was better focused than s1. Doesn't mean it was perfect, - I wasn't as upset by Yvette Picard, suicidal manic-depressive, as everyone else seems to have been, but I can see their point. (One thing, though: the series doesn't imply Maurice Picard could think of no other way to deal with his wife's mental illness than locking her up and that in the 24th century, there were no other options available. It's explicitly stated twice that Renée refused any kind of treatment (which would have been available). Now that's another less than satisfying trope (I'm reminded of Homeland's early seasons and Carrie stopping to take her meds when the plot required it despite knowing disaster would unfold), but it doesn't make Picard Snr. Mr. Rochester.) But where the first season tried to pack too many elements together that didn't quite fit, I thought this time the various cross connections really worked, and the focus on fewer characters allowed for more development all around. I already praised Agnes Jurati's storyline, but the show also really sold me on Seven and Raffi as a pairing who are shown, not just told to be, good for each other this season. And it doesn't escape me that Seven now has just become the Captain Raffi an episode earlier said she could be. Rios, Teresa and the kid were (without irony) heart warming, though the social criticism of the first half of the season faded in the second when we were approaching the climax of the other storylines, and I'm not sure Rios really was ready to commit to al ife not just in the 21st century but with a gruesome war ahead. (Though Guinan tells us he and Teresa and the kid were essential for the reconstruction of Earth after the disaster.) But one can't say he was going in blindly - he got a good look at how nasty the 21st century could be even without the impediing World War to consider during his stint as an illegal alien.
Cameo of the episode: WESLEY! I've always had a soft spot for young Mr. Crusher the much maligned at the time, and am happy for Wil Wheaton they gave him this scene after his cameo in the last TNG movie fell to the wayside. It also neatly combines the Traveler(s) with the Guardians that Tallinn and Gary Seven worked for, and now Kore. Speaking of whom: if she's hanging out with Wesley and being a Traveler-in-training now, I guess it's an open question whether we'll see the actress next as Soj or as Kore. Or both. Like I said, this show likes its doppelgangers. I do like Kore got to avenge her sisters and deprive Soong of his earlier experiments when she left. (She couldn't know he'd go on creating Ricardo Montalban, could she?), and I wonder whether in another timeline she simply died (since her cure was another thing that depended on Q showing up); leaving her creator behind and going to explore and safeguard the galaxy is definitely preferable.
If I didn't know there's a season 3, I would assume this to be a series finale, actually, with all the wrapping up, including Laris giving Picard another chance after he asks for one. (I'm still regretting they killed off Zhaban, as I wanted Picard iwth both of them.) As it is, my guess is season 3 will feature the transwarp tunnel or whatever it's called, and exploring where it leads to. But I could live with this ending.
Post universe saving in the Discovery finale, Pike has time to process that he now knows his ultimate fate, and unsurprisingly, it's a lot to process. Hence the beard of depression at the start of the episode. At the same time, he's his kind, considerate self; I appreciated that he asks Spock how Spock is dealing with the s2 fallout when they're alone together. As post s2 of Disco, I have to say that Spock being willing to risk everything in order to help Pike in The Menagerie now both has strong emotional background texture for me and is making me cry when rewatching that TOS two parter. Speaking of The Menagerie, though, one running gag through the pilot is that Pike has requested one "Lieutenant Kirk", and I kept thinking, hang on, The Menagerie didn't give me the impression that Kirk and TOS!Pike knew each other well (as opposed to Kelvin Timeline Kirk and Pike), and then we got the pay off near the end when "Lieutenant Kirk" showed up, and it was James T's brother Sam, killed off in TOS and hardly ever referenced again. Well played, scribes!
Young Uhura the cadet was adorable (and the actress did a good job incorporating some of Nichelle Nichols' gestures while being believably far younger, and I really liked this latest incarnation of Christine Chapel with her confidence and somewhat wicked sense of humor. Of the new characters, Security Chief Ms Noonien Singh - for once, not a member of the mad scientist Soong tribe but, I take it, a potential relation of Khan's - as our character with a horrible traumatic childhood, competence and iron woobie demeanor looks promising. As does Ortega who takes the helm when both Pike and his XOs are absent. That the planet of the week falls into the TOS tradition of having a suspiciously Earth like culture but not because some idiot historian wanted a planet wide cosplay made me ruefully smile once it became clear where this was getting at. Mind you, it's been many years since I watched the TOS eps referencing them, but I think the Eugenic Wars and WW3 as imagined by the original series were supposed to be two separate events, with the former already taking place in the 1990s. However, combining them and making them both the result of current day 21st century developments starting in the US was a good kind of referencing while also updating at the same time, so it was a pointed comment, not nostalgia. And "This was how we destroyed our civilisation and nearly blew up the planet; don't do the same!" as the central message to the aliens of the week/the audience at home was rather timely, delivered in Pike's dulcet tones or not.
Let's see, what else: Pike's friend-with-benefits the female Captain reminded me of both Kat Cornwell and Archer's friend-with-benefits. High, Robert April, I think, TAS aside, that's your first on screen incarnation. Did they name a shuttle after Stamets? And lastly, M'Benga and Chapel having an emergency transporter of their own in sickbay makes complete sense, and every starship's sickbay should have one.
: Meanwhile, in the past and the future (from Pike's pov): the s2 finale of ST:P managed to wrap up all the many different plot threads, leaving just about one open answer (why Tallinn looked exactly like Laris, but I suppose one can handwave that as "genetic doublings across centuries do happen), wrote one regular out of the tale (Rios) and in essence another, though I suppose Jurati!Queen can be brought back whenever the series wants to, given she's alive and around in the Alpha Quadrant now, whereas Rios really did stay in the past and lived and died there, according to Guinan. Since Agnes Jurati had the season's most accomplished arc, which did land its ending instead of going for a reset at the last moment, I can't begrudge that. Plus: the Agnes-and-the-Queen tale really does manage to do something new and different with the Borg, for the first time in several shows and movies. (No, last season doesn't count in this regard, since Hugh, Seven and the other Xbees were Ex Borg. In many ways, it brings the Borg story full circle and to a close, with an ending no one anticipated, and it works for me that Q made that possible just as he engineered the Enterprise's first encounter with the Borg.
(Sidenote: though I assume the Jurati!Queen led Borg through the last 400 years were and are a separate tribe from the standard Borg with the 1.0. version of the Qeen, who were also around but died due to various late ST show events.)
By "made it possible", I don't mean "caused", just "provided the opportunity", because really, most of the credit goes to Agnes, amazing woman that she is, some to the Queen for accepting her last proposal instead of going through another round of conquest/defeat/death, and some to Picard for post return to the future trusting Jurati!Queen and throwing his authority behind her so she could do the world saving. Q in general was used mostly as a catalyst as opposed to an active player, but somehow despite having started the season hoping for way more Picard & Q scenes than what we got, I don't feel disappointed. Because what we did get was meaningfull. (Not the case with some previous Q appearances, cough, cough. ) Though I was going to say: therapy for Jean-Luc should have been possible in a less complicated way and without putting the rest of the gang through those experiences, but then it turned out the various events needed to happen and had always been part of the original timeline (i.e. being left by his "daughter and creation" and bereft of the promise of future glory, Soong's next move is to genetically engineer Khan; and of course no redeemed Borg and Jurati!Queen ending the cycles of Borg assimilation-by-force without that time trip). Elnor turned out to be only Mostly Dead like most people predicted and was alive again once the future was reset (though I do wonder whether we'll see HoloElnor again as well, this show loves its doppelgangers). I must admit I was waiting for one more reveal, that the reveal that the cosmic Whateveritwascalled that the Borg-plus-Starfleet needed to shield from exploding, thus allowing it to transform into a
(Sidenote: a goodbye kiss would have been nice, but at least we got face touching and a hug as Q took his leave from his favorite Captain (no offense, Janeway) and vice versa, and it was important Jean-Luc initialized the hug.)
All in all, I thought the second season had more narrative drive and was better focused than s1. Doesn't mean it was perfect, - I wasn't as upset by Yvette Picard, suicidal manic-depressive, as everyone else seems to have been, but I can see their point. (One thing, though: the series doesn't imply Maurice Picard could think of no other way to deal with his wife's mental illness than locking her up and that in the 24th century, there were no other options available. It's explicitly stated twice that Renée refused any kind of treatment (which would have been available). Now that's another less than satisfying trope (I'm reminded of Homeland's early seasons and Carrie stopping to take her meds when the plot required it despite knowing disaster would unfold), but it doesn't make Picard Snr. Mr. Rochester.) But where the first season tried to pack too many elements together that didn't quite fit, I thought this time the various cross connections really worked, and the focus on fewer characters allowed for more development all around. I already praised Agnes Jurati's storyline, but the show also really sold me on Seven and Raffi as a pairing who are shown, not just told to be, good for each other this season. And it doesn't escape me that Seven now has just become the Captain Raffi an episode earlier said she could be. Rios, Teresa and the kid were (without irony) heart warming, though the social criticism of the first half of the season faded in the second when we were approaching the climax of the other storylines, and I'm not sure Rios really was ready to commit to al ife not just in the 21st century but with a gruesome war ahead. (Though Guinan tells us he and Teresa and the kid were essential for the reconstruction of Earth after the disaster.) But one can't say he was going in blindly - he got a good look at how nasty the 21st century could be even without the impediing World War to consider during his stint as an illegal alien.
Cameo of the episode: WESLEY! I've always had a soft spot for young Mr. Crusher the much maligned at the time, and am happy for Wil Wheaton they gave him this scene after his cameo in the last TNG movie fell to the wayside. It also neatly combines the Traveler(s) with the Guardians that Tallinn and Gary Seven worked for, and now Kore. Speaking of whom: if she's hanging out with Wesley and being a Traveler-in-training now, I guess it's an open question whether we'll see the actress next as Soj or as Kore. Or both. Like I said, this show likes its doppelgangers. I do like Kore got to avenge her sisters and deprive Soong of his earlier experiments when she left. (She couldn't know he'd go on creating Ricardo Montalban, could she?), and I wonder whether in another timeline she simply died (since her cure was another thing that depended on Q showing up); leaving her creator behind and going to explore and safeguard the galaxy is definitely preferable.
If I didn't know there's a season 3, I would assume this to be a series finale, actually, with all the wrapping up, including Laris giving Picard another chance after he asks for one. (I'm still regretting they killed off Zhaban, as I wanted Picard iwth both of them.) As it is, my guess is season 3 will feature the transwarp tunnel or whatever it's called, and exploring where it leads to. But I could live with this ending.
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Date: 2022-05-06 04:29 pm (UTC)The endless online moaning that Disco and Picard are not proper trek and undermine the franchise really annoys me too.
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Date: 2022-05-06 04:34 pm (UTC)Moaning: I try to avoid any post featuring it, but sometimes a tweet zips past me. Since I can remember the "TNG isn't real Trek" and "DS9 isn't real Trek!" whinings of yesteryear, my eyeroll is almost nostalgic.
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Date: 2022-05-06 06:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-07 06:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-06 04:55 pm (UTC)It sounds like I should definitely check these out! (I was hesitating re: Strange New Worlds because of the "real" Trek folks)
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Date: 2022-05-06 07:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-07 08:23 am (UTC)Based on only one episode, and with the caveat that implies, SNW is well worth checking out, and wears its Discovery connection proudly, so don‘t let the purity idiots keep you from it if you‘d like it otherwise.
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Date: 2022-05-06 06:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-07 08:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-06 07:08 pm (UTC)(Sidenote: though I assume the Jurati!Queen led Borg through the last 400 years were and are a separate tribe from the standard Borg with the 1.0. version of the Qeen, who were also around but died due to various late ST show events.)
Terry Matalas retweeted something from a string of otherwise NASTY review tweets that essentially confirmed this, I think.
WESLEY! It was so nice to see him in a grown-up role and having dignity and Kore having a future too. Did you see the really nice essay Wil Wheaton wrote about it on his blog? (But he's not gonna be on S3? Bummer....)
https://wilwheaton.net/2022/05/welcome-home-wesley/
I really like the idea that the portal thing was Q's transformation/passing, but I glumly expect it's going to have something to do with Dr. Soong, since Data is dead but Brent Spiner is coming back next season. (Or maybe they will bring back Data! Who knows.) That final scene between Q and Picard about growth and death was just *chef's kiss*
I believe of the original cast only Picard, Raffi and Seven are coming back? I can see Seven fitting into the TNG type stories but they really better not write out Raffi. I'm honestly kinda gutted Alison Pill probably isn't coming back -- in an interview she made it sound like she just wasn't in the third season at all. I wasn't that big a fan of Agnes in S1, but I LOVED her storyline in S2 and Pill was amazing as Agnes, Borg Queen-in-Agnes, and then Borg Queen/Agnes. The way she said "mister" at the end! Maybe she will have some guest star spots, I really hope so.
Has that been the first gay kiss scene in ST between women since DS9? I was a bit surprised people weren't talking about that more in reviews/reactions. I loved Seven's affectionate "Let it breathe".
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Date: 2022-05-07 08:43 am (UTC)Re: SNW, I‘m reminded of how back in the day I was watching both DS9 and Babylon 5, and loved both, and quickly learned to keep away from the part of either fandom which wanted you to take sides and hate on the other space station and used praise for one to denigrate the other. Me, I‘m glad I had both! And now, after all those years without new canon (other than the reboot movies, which were its own thing), I have three shows to follow (Disco, Picard and SNW). I feel like a lucky fan!
I hadn‘t seen the essay by Wil Wheaton yet, no. Thank you for the link!
Re: Brent Spiner, well, his Dr. Soong from s1 of Picard is still alive at the end of s1, right? So it might be him whom Spiner is playing. I really don‘t think it will be Data, because that would make some of the most emotional scenes of s1 pointless.
Alison Pill was incredibly good this season. But I actually can see the reasoning for not bringin her back next season - at least not as Agnes Jurati/The Queen - because you can‘t do that particular story twice, and a Borg Queen is such a powerful entity that as an ally, she would nix several plot lines by her mere presence if she were constantly available.
Has that been the first gay kiss scene in ST between women since DS9?
You know, it might be, since Voyager had none, ditto Enterprise, and Discovery had m/m kisses but not f/f that I recall. Though I could be wrong, if MirrorGeorgiou was kissing the woman in the brief threesome scene she had in the s1 finale of Discovery (when everyone was undercover on Kronos). Also, I‘m pretty sure Raffi will come back, and not just because she‘s half of a pairing. She has plenty of issues of her own that haven‘t been resolved yet, and which could cause some interesting spark with any of the TNG characters.
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Date: 2022-05-06 08:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-07 02:21 am (UTC)However, the Strange New World plot, which I watched before the Picard finale, does retcon the Eugenics War as having happened not in the 1990s but in the 21st century and essentially being a part of WW3. Now, it could be something like the waz some historians have declared WW1 and WW2 being essentially a new Thirty years War, with an interwar period. But I doubt that the PIcard and the SNW writers don‘t talk to each other.
Anyway, back to Soong and the Khan file: Adam Soong is old enough in 2024 to have been active and working in the 1990s, so presumably he was at the very least involved enough in whatever went down to have access to the material. So maybe the idea is that Khan, personally, was around in the 1990s, but the larger Eugenics War will be kicked off (again?) in the 2020s?
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Date: 2022-05-06 11:40 pm (UTC)then we got the pay off near the end when "Lieutenant Kirk" showed up, and it was James T's brother Sam, killed off in TOS and hardly ever referenced again. Well played, scribes!
This is hilarious, and what's even more hilarious is that it means that Spock did not inform Jim that he knew his brother, because on TOS, Jim talks about him like Spock has never met him. Keeping secrets about siblings: the true Spock way.
(and the actress did a good job incorporating some of Nichelle Nichols' gestures while being believably far younger,
Agreed! I was worried about this because Nichelle Nichols is so iconic in that role, but I thought it worked! All the differences (she's more smiley, less confident) can be because of the age difference.
and I really liked this latest incarnation of Christine Chapel with her confidence and somewhat wicked sense of humor.
Me too! She's nothing like TOS!Chapel, but I like her so much!
Of the new characters, Security Chief Ms Noonien Singh - for once, not a member of the mad scientist Soong tribe but, I take it, a potential relation of Khan's - as our character with a horrible traumatic childhood, competence and iron woobie demeanor looks promising. As does Ortega who takes the helm when both Pike and his XOs are absent.
Agreed! I really look forward to getting to know both of them. I'm very happy with the characters on this show so far--that's the one thing Star Trek shows nearly always deliver on for me, and this has kept the tradition up.
Did they name a shuttle after Stamets?
They did! Favorite Disco reference!
I found Picard S1...fine. It wasn't bad. But I didn't care much about it, not enough to keep watching S2. But maybe I should give it a try?
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Date: 2022-05-07 08:46 am (UTC)Re: Picard s1, yes, I wasn‘t passionate about it, either, I thought it was a mixed bunch, but then I rarely fall for Trek shows in their first season, and there was enough to make me curious about the next installment, which I‘m glad I watched. Of course everyone‘s mileage differs, etc.
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Date: 2022-05-08 01:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-07 01:48 am (UTC)I thought Shuttle Stamets was a nice touch, and I loved Wil Wheaton's cameo, for which I was blissfully unspoiled. Ditto, my enjoyment at being thoroughly taken in by the "Lieutenant Kirk" thing. Well played indeed.
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Date: 2022-05-07 08:49 am (UTC)