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Ship of Tears
Another one of my favourite episodes. I like everything about it, the Bester main plot and the G'Kar subplot, and consequently I'm not sure how many times I've watched it. Still, it doesn't lose its appeal. To start with the subplot, Delenn here is at her best, and does something which is rare in characters, no matter whether they're written as heroes or villains: she accepts full responsibility for a decision which she thought at the time - and still thinks - was justfied BUT also acknowledges the monstrous dimension of. This feels very differently from the Jack Bauer "someone has to get their hands dirty" school of thought. She doesn't hide behind Sheridan, either. Delenn stating that she has to be the one to talk to G'Kar and confess to how she (and Kosh, and a bit later Sheridan) had known about the Shadows but hadn't said anything back when G'Kar first brought up the topic, long before the Narn lost the war, is possibly my single favourite moment of hers, over the obvious choices from Severed Dreams. And I deeply appreciate the raw emotional honesty of the scene with G'Kar - that he says he may forgive her one day, but not now, and she accepts that.
Because the greatness of G'Kar and Londo as characters is that they get to be tragic and funny in the same episode frequently, G'Kar also has a great comic relief moment later in the episode - "Mr. Garibaldi, don't thumb the book of G'Quan". Incidentally, that Garibaldi actually followed G'Kar's suggestion to learn Narn and read the book of G'Quan instead of letting the volume gather dust in his quarters is one of those show, not tell details of his basic investigative nature I like. Not to mention that here, the episode brings various plot threads together. Who when watching the show for the first time would have thought that the information that the Narn have no telepaths, but used to have them - which first gets mentioned in the pilot when G'Kar hits on Lyta, and later keeps being brought up a few times in s1, the planting of G'Kar as a religious person venerating the Book of G'Quan (first brought up in s1's By Any Means Necessary) and all the telepath plotlines would intertwine in the reveal that telepaths can be used against the Shadows?
On to my favourite B5 telepath (sorry, Talia and Lyta; I know he's a bad person, but he is one of my favourite characters). I shall always be grateful for JMS making Bester into an unpredictable wild card, whose arrival can, but doesn't have to signal trouble for our heroes, and/or could also bring some help. Mind you, watching two episodes per week reminded me again that the understanding of Psi Corps changes through the show - from s1 presenting it as an, if not the ominous big bad behind everything going wrong on Earth to the state of affairs from later s3 (i.e. this episode) onwards, where we learn that there are different factions, only one of which cooperates with the Shadows, and that the Shadows have a reason for wanting to get telepaths specifically under their control. Given the size of the organiization, and the way all large organisations (even philanthropic ones, let alone sinister ones) tend to have feuds and rivalries in their hierarchies, this makes much sense. It also answers one question about Bester - is there anything he wouldn't do to achieve his goals? Handing over telepaths to the Shadows is beyond his personal line, it seems. Note he's against this before finding out Caroyln is a case in point. I've seen summaries of this episodep postulating that Bester knew from the get go Carolyn was among the telepaths modified into Shadow operating systems and basically conned Sheridan into mounting a rescue mission for his girlfriend, and why I don't doubt he would have if he could have, rewatching the episode reminded me it's very clear that while Bester knew what the vessel was transporting in general, Carolyn being one of the telepaths was news. (The way Walter Koenig plays his shock doesn't come across as Bester faking this for Sheridan's benefit.)
Speaking of Carolyn: one thing that changed between me watching this episode for the first time in the 1990s and rewatching it now for the nth time is that I'm now more aware of the questionability of the "prisoner and goaler falling in love" trope. Knowing this in theory doesn't mean that in practice I object to the storyline. I did notice htis time around Bester does not say at any point Carolyn returned his feelings, just that he fell in love and had not experienced love before, so I suppose you can interpret the backstory of this relationship as her either experiencing Stockholm syndrome or faking it in order to make her life in a prison camp a bit more bearable. However, this isn't my personal headcanon, because a) they're both high level telepaths, and he would have noticed if she loathed or felt indifferent to him (see also what Talia said about what happens when telepath make love), and b) the way she calls him "Al" does sound deeply familiar and attached to me. Again, though, I'm not saying my interpretation is the only one possible.
That the ability to love someone doesn't automatically mean you're otherwise a good person is something B5 points out through more than one character, and Bester certainly keeps enjoying his mind games (and sarcastic quips) when in our heroes' company. Re: his not trying to scan Ivanova: aside from the fact he really isn't there to learn anytihng from the B5 crew this time around, I think he's smart enough to figure out that people distrusting and despising him as much as this bunch do would have some sort of test before they face him, and while I don't think he knows Ivanova is a latent (low level) telepath, her mother was one, so he might be able to guess that she has at least the ability to notice when she's being scanned.
Lastly: When the Psi Corps trilogy of books was published, two of which have Bester as a main character, I was frustrated that the author chose to (time) jump over the Carolyn story entirely, but he did give Bester the pattern from his teenage days onwards to become attached to people who represent the increasing opposite of what his Psi Cop convictions tell him to value, and Carolyn fits right in there.
Interludes and Examinations
Hail and farewell, Kosh. You were declared to be Merlin only two episodes ago, and Merlin/Gandalf/Obi-Wan Kenobi is bound to die or disappear before his mentored hero faces his greatest peril. Kosh's habit of showing up as people's fathers' (well, G'Kar's and Sheridan's) might be manipulative, but here, the last time he does it as he's dying, it unquestioningly comes across as heartfelt as well. Kosh, whose true appearance the audience never seees - we will see what Vorlons look like when not projecting angelic/divine beings eventually, but not Kosh - still became a character to care for, and I remember feeling shocked about his death the first time I watched this episode, despite already being wise to the old mentor trope mentioned above. His heated conversation with Sheridan is one of those scenes that are good upon first watch but even better during the rewatches because all of Kosh's lines really do read as if he's aware that he will die if he agrees to Sheridan's plan. Meanwhile, Sheridan doesn't say anything that's not true, either - the Vorlons haven't done anything so far, they've let their younger protegés do the fighting, and they've kept information back until they absolutely had to share it. (Basically, Vorlons => Sheridan and Delenn = Sheridan and Delenn =>G'Kar. Minus the part where Sheridan and Delenn did try their best to help the Narn refugees at least in s2.) Kosh did come to care for the younger races in general and Sheridan in particular, though, and in this episode it was put to the ultilmate test.
Kosh isn't the only character who dies, of course. Poor Adira gets fridged. I mean, I love this show, and Londo, and Londo's storyline, but I still think her death fits the trope, both on a Watsonian and Doylist level (in both cases, it's done to motivate Londo for events in future episodes). I guess if we'd seen more of Adira (the way we did of Kosh), it would feel less like a case of fridging, but we did not. Also, Londo not even considering Morden as a suspect (instead of Refa) still baffles me upon the nth rewatch, and I can barely fanwank it by declaring it's Londo's inner traditionalist who thinks of death by poison as something only aristocratic Centauri do to each other.
On a more frivolous note, apparantly early on when he still tries to intimidate Londo into doing his bidding, Morden has decided to bring his special lighting effects this time. (Can't just be his Associates - they're always with him no matter what, and during his earlier encounters with Londo, the lighting didn't change.) I will say that Londo concluding the lighting change is because of Morden's pals and what that signifies will come in very handy in s4. Ahem. It's also interesting that Morden doesn't just cut his losses early in the epsiode (this is clearly what his Associates are suggesting when he replies "there's another way"), kills Londo and bets on Refa (and Cartagia) then acting in a Shadow-friendly manner. I mean, he can't on a Doylist level because Londo is a main character, but in-universe, why Londo more than Refa or Cartagia? Possibly because Refa is just too venal, too concerned with his own power to keep allies and this likely to be offed in the Centauri game of thrones early on anyway, while Cartagia, well, see s4. Whereas Londo is someone who, if he truly applies himself to a task, can achieve staying power. But: that's an audience judgment, based on five years of canon. Does Morden, who has seen less of Londo than the B5 audience, have any reason to believe he'd be a more efficient candidate than Refa at this point?
Another thing: both Londo and Sheridan declare in this episode there's nothng that could be done to them now that hasn't already been done and promptly learn how wrong they were. I hadn't recalled this parallel, which reminded me of a future episode that points out parallels between them far more blatantly.
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The other days
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Date: 2022-05-29 05:21 pm (UTC)I never watched Babylon 5 when it came out, but I am watching it now and I'm enjoying it so much! I love sci-fi and this is such a good series /(♥_♥)/
I'm currently on season 4, but I watched these episodes pretty recently so they're fresh in my mind.
KOSH TT^TT I was so heartbroken for him!! And the things that he said to Sheridan, looking like his father... ;___; I also felt for poor Adira, she could finally see Londo again and he was so excited too!! I have the same doubts as you do, how could he have not suspected Morden? Maybe it was his grief, but it doesn't seem so plausible to me. Bah.
the only other person Morden could have killed to get Londo back and in revenge mode, if Adira hadn't just happened to come to the station at the very time Morden was there, would have been Vir
Yikes, that would've gone dark very, very fast /o\
we will see what Vorlons look like when not projecting angelic/divine beings eventually, but not Kosh
Will we? :D :D :D That's awesome, I can't wait for that!!
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Date: 2022-05-30 05:00 am (UTC)Re: Vorlons, the episode in question is called Falling into Apotheosis, so depending where you are in s4, you're near or far.
Adira and Londo: to be fair, she remains unforgotten for the remaining show, so a redshirt, she's not, but making Londo not suspecting Morden in Interludes and Examinations remains one of the few cases where a character is made to do something so the plot can follow, not when it becomes natural to him.
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Date: 2022-05-30 07:48 am (UTC)Re: Vorlons. I just started S04, I should be close *__*
Re: Adira. Awww, baby ;_; Totally agreed on Londo, he spent all his life plotting stuff and mistrusting everyone, how did he not suspect Morden, howww!
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Date: 2022-08-09 09:06 pm (UTC)Why suddenly trust Morden of all people?
As you say, plot rather than character - rare on Babylon 5, b
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Date: 2022-05-30 05:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-30 07:56 am (UTC)There are two giant spoilers, new watchers, please skip
Date: 2022-05-29 11:00 pm (UTC)I think it's also a really good way of showing that Garibaldi does care, a friend has said this book is important to him so he reads it, if only to understand his friend better. I think that the show shows Garibaldi is a good friend and that being a good friend is important to him is important for (Season 4 spoiler).
I totally believe that Bester would have been against it even though he doesn't know, because it strikes me that he does believe in "the Corps is Mother, the Corps is father" and families protect you from outsiders with sinister intents.
(Question because I can't remember, does the episode where we learn about Ivanova's mother say she taught her the basics of resisting scans or was that AN Other fandom with telepaths?)
Re: Morden - we don't know him from before (not the way we'd have known mumble or how x knows y even if we don't) but I am wondering if he was all the deeply cynical archaeologists I know who would have wanted to keep plan B open just in case.
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Date: 2022-05-30 05:17 am (UTC)That's very true. (And why I in my story about Garibaldi and G'Kar let Garibaldi continue to read Narn post show.) Excellent point about the connection to the s4 spoiler!
I totally believe that Bester would have been against it even though he doesn't know, because it strikes me that he does believe in "the Corps is Mother, the Corps is father" and families protect you from outsiders with sinister intents
True, but until this episode a first time watcher wouldn't know this about Bester yet. I.e. we have seen him go after rogue telepaths, for all a first time watcher knows until Ship of Tears, Bester is a complete cynic happy to throw rogues (at least) or even faithful Psi Corps members at the Shadows if it is of benefit to him. It's the later seasons who emphasize that he does personally believe the Corps is Mother, the Corps is Father, and that at some point the rogues will see the light and return to the family until spoilery s5 stuff goes down, and that independent from that he most definitely does not want any outsiders to interfere with family business (be they Shadows or a certain s4 character).
Morden: hm, maybe. Though whatever his thoughts, he clearly didn't expect a couple of s4 Londo actions (not just the one relating to him), which makes me wonder whether his decision here isn't based on some miscalculation re: Londo's priorities and malleability...
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Date: 2022-08-09 09:07 pm (UTC)Re: There are two giant spoilers, new watchers, please skip
Date: 2022-08-10 05:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2022-05-30 05:36 am (UTC)Delenn here is at her best, and does something which is rare in characters, no matter whether they're written as heroes or villains: she accepts full responsibility for a decision which she thought at the time - and still thinks - was justfied BUT also acknowledges the monstrous dimension of.
Ah -- thanks for pointing that out; I did admire that but hadn't really thought about its rarity.
And I deeply appreciate the raw emotional honesty of the scene with G'Kar - that he says he may forgive her one day, but not now, and she accepts that.
Really liked that scene.
...would intertwine in the reveal that telepaths can be used against the Shadows?
Not me! That was really neat.
It also answers one question about Bester - is there anything he wouldn't do to achieve his goals? Handing over telepaths to the Shadows is beyond his personal line, it seems.
Huh. I don't disagree, but I think I think about it slightly differently -- like, this is all very consistent with what I've seen of Bester; he's intensely tribal, where his tribe is human telepaths, not non-telepath human beings, and definitely not aliens. (Cf his line about that drug that induces telepathy and how it should be back with humans where it belongs.) So to give telepaths to the Shadows is basically just the kind of means that basically negates the ends he's working towards. Those ends are distasteful and whatever the psi equivalent of racist is, but they do mean he defies the Shadows, so it means that for now he's working on the side of Our Heroes.
(The way Walter Koenig plays his shock doesn't come across as Bester faking this for Sheridan's benefit.)
Yeah, that was not a fakeout. Koenig! That was an awesome bit of acting.
and while I don't think he knows Ivanova is a latent (low level) telepath, her mother was one, so he might be able to guess that she has at least the ability to notice when she's being scanned.
Ohhhh! Right, he did even mention her mom in that scene! So he must have guessed that, even if he doesn't know for sure.
Interludes and Examinations
I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING AT ALL. I didn't pay enough attention to Kosh being Merlin, I suppose -- I thought of him as Elrond or Galadriel, I guess? They don't die! They just fade out into the West! I was really shocked by this. Though yes, once I got over my utter shock I could see how it fit into the story. But also. KOSH!!
but here, the last time he does it as he's dying, it unquestioningly comes across as heartfelt as well.
Yes! I absolutely adored that scene.
His heated conversation with Sheridan is one of those scenes that are good upon first watch
It was a really well-done scene, where JMS set it up masterfully and led me like a sheep. About two seconds before Sheridan let loose on Kosh, I was like, "...You know, do the Vorlons ever do anything or do they just sit around while everyone else does stuff?" and then of course Sheridan said the same thing, so I was nodding in agreement, and then with Kosh getting violent I thought, aha, we're seeing the dark side of the Vorlons, like Jack the Ripper, and I was with Sheridan all the way -- and, well, that was another part of why I didn't see it coming!
And then Adira! She definitely did not deserve that.
Also, Londo not even considering Morden as a suspect (instead of Refa) still baffles me upon the nth rewatch, and I can barely fanwank it by declaring it's Londo's inner traditionalist who thinks of death by poison as something only aristocratic Centauri do to each other.
I also wondered why he didn't consider Morden. My fanwank was that he already had the idea in his head that Refa would be declaring revenge -- sort of like how G'Kar, on hearing that Narns had been attacked, was all "LONDO!!" even though he had no actual evidence that Londo was involved, and not, say, the Emperor, even though that might actually have made more sense. Of course, G'Kar was right and Londo was not, but I think that was luck.
It's also interesting that Morden doesn't just cut his losses early in the epsiode... kills Londo and bets on Refa (and Cartagia) then acting in a Shadow-friendly manner.
I kind of headcanon Morden as someone who likes solutions that maximize chaos and suffering. Why kill Londo when you could by killing Adira instead both make Londo suffer and sow dissension bewteen Refa and Londo? Weakens Centauri government for free!
Also, yay for Garibaldi finally pushing Franklin, omg.
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Date: 2022-05-30 11:04 am (UTC)the X-MenOur Heroes against third party enemies, but does not mean they ever have the same overall goal. BTW, this episode is what Walter Koenig in the interview I've linked you to is refering to when saying that Bester was given interiority, his own emotional ife and problems (as opposed to just showing up as a plot device to make trouble).My fanwank was that he already had the idea in his head that Refa would be declaring revenge -- sort of like how G'Kar, on hearing that Narns had been attacked, was all "LONDO!!" even though he had no actual evidence that Londo was involved, and not, say, the Emperor, even though that might actually have made more sense. Of course, G'Kar was right and Londo was not, but I think that was luck.
Good point! Yes, that makes sense - confirmation bias applies.
Also, yay for Garibaldi finally pushing Franklin, omg.
LOL. I'm happy to tell you that we're done with the stim arc for good now. There's one more episode, Walkabout, in which Franklin wanders around B5 discovering who he truly is, but I'm skipping that, so you don't have to watch it. (You can read the summary if yxou're interested.) After that, he returns to the fold.